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Published on November 7, 2008 By LifeSomewhereElse In Current Events

I guess I just dont get it.  You all know the deal, the prop 8 in CA to that defines marriage as between a man and a women.  It seems that tonight that there is a big protest in LA tonight over it (LA, really? huh!)  Personally, I am surprised by the outcome, the stereotypical CA apparently is not what it all cracked up to be.  Anyway, I see that the people have spoken in response to judges making the laws.

 


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on Nov 18, 2008

But it doesn't prove that marriage causes longer lifespan either only that marriage is assoiated with a longer span, they might both be caused by a very different factor.

There are several possibilities here:

1. Whatever genetic setup causes a human being to be straight and patient also causes or appears in tandem with a genetic setup that causes a longer life.

2. Marriage causes people to live longer.

3. A combination of the two.

Did anybody do any studies about how long people married in a gay marriage live?

 

on Nov 18, 2008

There can be even more than those options,

Perhaps weak sickly people are, in general, ugly so its actually 'if you are likely to die earlier you are less likely to get married'.

Or it could still be that marriage helps people to live longer which is one reason for the early deaths of gay people.  

They are impossible questions to answer in the same way as 'does being gay lead to early death' is impossible to answer as there are so many other options and it is impossible (well very very hard) to tell which is correct.  Does the gay lifestyle itself lead to early death or is it the reaction from society?

on Nov 18, 2008

There can be even more than those options,

Perhaps weak sickly people are, in general, ugly so its actually 'if you are likely to die earlier you are less likely to get married'.

My list wasn't exhaustive.

But obviously weak people are less likely to marry. People select mating partners according to how likely they are to have good genes.

 

on Nov 18, 2008

3. A combination of the two.

No, there is a 4th - they dont live longer, it just seems that way.

on Nov 18, 2008

they dont live longer, it just seems that way.

"Jewish women don't believe in sex after marriage."

 

on Nov 19, 2008

Did anybody do any studies about how long people married in a gay marriage live?

Yes, studies have been done in the countries where homsexuals have been allowed to marry. Being married doesn't add to their longevity...and that's becasue homosexuality is inherently unnatural and thus a dangerous and unhealthy practice. Besides that, the fact that they "marry" doesn't necessarily mean they practice fidelity, in fact, most don't.

No, but the method they used to determine the "facts" does. As he said.

The messenger doesn't change the facts....

The method used to determine the facts don't change the facts....

What we are still left with are the facts....and they are that the median age of death for homosexual men who did not have AIDS is 42! for those with AIDS it's 39......

It also doesn't change the fact that wise goverment will always legislate morality that preserves them to 75 or 80.

 

on Nov 19, 2008

Yes, studies have been done in the countries where homsexuals have been allowed to marry. Being married doesn't add to their longevity...and that's becasue homosexuality is inherently unnatural and thus a dangerous and unhealthy practice. Besides that, the fact that they "marry" doesn't necessarily mean they practice fidelity, in fact, most don't.

That's silly. Homosexual marriage has only been legal in a few countries for a few years. The "studies" you refer to cannot have been done.

 

The messenger doesn't change the facts....

The method used to determine the facts don't change the facts....


Yes, it does. A faulty method leads to faulty facts.

 

on Nov 19, 2008

I think I found one of the "studies" Lula refers to:

http://famguardian.org/Subjects/SexualImmorality/Homosexuality/HomosexualsHellbound.htm

It's funny. Apparently some religious people think that we are all stupid.

The "study":



6,737 obituaries from 18 U.S. homosexual journals over 13 years were compared to a large sample of obituaries from regular newspapers.



Sounds good, doesn't it?

Now, let's look at the numbers. Note that a "median" is the dividing number in the middle of samples.



The median age of death of married men  was 75 and 80% died old (>65 yrs.)



Note that "married men" is a group aged 30 (or at least 20) and older. If a random group of people, married or unmarried, were sampled and all individuals younger than 30 were removed, we would end up with a high median for age of death.



The median age of death for unmarried or divorced men was 57 and



This is the same group as above with group individuals younger than 30 included. Median age of death is lowered to 57, as would be predicted for a random group of men with no young individuals removed.



The median age of death for married women was 79, and 60% of them died old.



Like the first group this result is typical for any random group with young members removed.



For the 829 homosexuals who died of something other than AIDS, the median age of death was 42 and only 9% died old!



This is not surprising as the sample was taken from homosexual journals that do not publish obituaries for old people. (Readers of these magazines are young, as are people who publish obituaries for loved ones in them.)

The low age of death (median) is typical for a random group of which all older individuals have been removed.



They were 116 times more likely to be murdered

A very funny statistic given that gays are more often victims of violent crimes committed by homophobes than straight people are.



24 times more apt to commit suicide



After reading through a Web site that condemns homosexuals for what they are, even admits that they are more often targeted for murder than straight people, and uses bad math to spread hatred to stupid people (maybe including stupid homosexuals), I cannot say I am surprised!


Summary for median ages of death:

Married men (or ANY group with individuals below age of 30 removed): 75

Unmarried men (or the same group including young individuals): 57

Married women (like married men): 79

Unmarried homosexuals published in magazine (or ANY group with older individuals removed): 42

I guess the point is that no member of a group that only includes 30 and older can die at the age of 25. And no member of a group that only includes 60 and younger can die with 75.

 

on Nov 19, 2008

I think I found one of the "studies" Lula refers to:

It seems you may have as some odf the numbers are the same....the study was published in1994 and called the Omega Study Results....evidently it went all the way back to scientific literature from 1858.  That study confirmed relatively the same as did the one from Family Research Institute.

Did the site have any info on the longevity of lesbians? According to the Omega study, they don't do much better...median age of death is 44 and exhibit high rates of violent death and cancer as compared to other women in general.

 The bottom line from the study is that all heterosexual subgroups, single or married, live far longer than their homosexual counterparts.

 

 

on Nov 20, 2008

It seems you may have as some odf the numbers are the same....the study was published in1994 and called the Omega Study Results....

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I wouldn't know. The site has, in rather typical fashon, not given a source for its statistics.

 

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According to the Omega study, they don't do much better...median age of death is 44 and exhibit high rates of violent death and cancer as compared to other women in general.

Yeah, wouldn't surprise me. If you take any random group of people and remove the oldest 20 or 30 years, you get a low median age of death.

You'd be surprised by how few older homosexuals have come out and let gay magazines publish obituaries for them.

So the "study" shows us that a random group of people with no old individuals has a lower median age of death than a random group of people with old individuals. And another random group of people with no young people has a higher median age of death.

 

Median age of death of random groups:

Married men (or ANY group with individuals below age of 30 removed): 75

1. No individuals below age of 25: 75

2. Same group including the younger individuals: 57

3. Same group with no individuals above age of 60: 42.

They are your married men, unmarried men, and gay men as sampled by the "study".

 

The exact cut-off ages can be determined mathematically. But I am pretty sure that's the explanation. It is pretty obvious.

 

on Nov 20, 2008

And anyway even if there is a reduction (something this study in no way shape of form can prove) it doesn't mean that its the homosexual lifestyle that alters the lifespan.

As mentioned before a hormone difference in the womb is a possibility for what makes 'gay people gay'.  It could also lead to other differences, if a female feotus is exposed to too much testronone it could 'turn them' but it could also induce other, life span reducing, changes.

It really is impossible to prove the gay lifestyle reduces lifespan without taking a group of people who want to live that life and preventing them from doing so all the while preventing them from knowing they want to live a life they can't.

on Nov 20, 2008

It really is impossible to prove the gay lifestyle reduces lifespan without taking a group of people who want to live that life and preventing them from doing so all the while preventing them from knowing they want to live a life they can't.

I suppose you could compare lives of married (to a woman) homosexuals to married (to another man) homosexuals.

However, homosexual marriage is too stigmatised to attract normal (homosexual) people. Currently it seems to be more something to do for fanatics.

Once gay marriage is completely normal and accepted by society we can find out if straight marriage is really better for a long life than gay marriage.

 

on Nov 20, 2008

But even that doesn't take into any effect that marrying somebody of the 'wrong' gender would have. 

Perhaps there is a cost for a homosexual man marrying a woman?

If you find true 100% bi-sexual men and compare those who married women to those who married men......

on Nov 20, 2008

But even that doesn't take into any effect that marrying somebody of the 'wrong' gender would have. 

Perhaps there is a cost for a homosexual man marrying a woman?

Who needs to know?

Perhaps I am not religious enough to be interested in other men's sex lives.

 

on Nov 20, 2008

We have far more pressing issues to be concentrating on in this nation right now than whether or not queers can tie the knot.  Let 'em have it already, and lets get on to more important things, like the fucking price of bread.

Exactly.

 

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